Spanking ... yes or no? - Page 3

Jodie · 03-08-2008, 06:37 PM

Ohhhhhhhhhh touchy subject................

We spank on occasion. Not very often.....in fact i can't remember the last time one of my boys got a spanking.

Someone above said they don't spank or slap.....I'm assuming you ment slap the face????
Oh never never would i do that. My mother slapped my face a couple times growing up and i vowed never to do that to my children.

Mama2mygirls · 03-08-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mommy&wifeisme

Old Testament Passages Used To Justify Spanking

The Bible verses that are most commonly used by some to teach that Christian parents should spank their children come entirely from the Old Testament and are:

1. Proverbs 13:24 "He that spares his rod hates his son: but he that loves him chastens him sometimes."

2. Proverbs 22:15 "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."

3. Proverbs 23:13-14 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if you beat him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shall deliver his soul from hell."

4. Proverbs 29:15 "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself brings his mother to shame."

There is an important question to ask about these verses from the Old Testament. Do they apply today in the same way that they did during the times of the Old Testament, or are these verses other examples of the harshness of the law that are no longer to be applied in the way they once were because we live in the age of grace? A good interpretation of these verses is to say that the same principle still applies, in that children still need to have the proper amount of correction, but the correction should not be applied with corporal punishment.

If we are going to take some of the verses of the Old Testament that have to do with the punishment of children and apply them literally, then we should take all of the verses in the Old Testament that have to do with the punishment of children and apply them all literally. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 says, "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear and fear."

Of course, no one teaches that we should apply this passage in Deuteronomy to our current day and age or that we should apply it when we correct our children today. We recognize that the passage from Deuteronomy in the Old Testament was for a different age and a different time. It is much too harsh for the day in which we live. We can look at the verses in Proverbs that have to do with using a "rod" on a child in the same way even if we interpret these parts of Proverbs literally. A good and valid interpretation of the Bible is to say that the above verses from Deuteronomy and the Proverbs are among the things from the Old Testament that are a part of the harshness and strictness of the law that should not be applied in our day because of the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament and because of the difference between law and grace.

Symbolism

We should also look at the possibility that the aforementioned verses in Proverbs should be applied symbolically. Of course, we are not trying to imply that there should be no correction or no punishment given to children, but only that it does not have to be corporal punishment.

Thanks for posting all of that. I was thinking along the same lines.

busymomof4 · 03-08-2008, 10:49 PM

My children are all older now so really I don't use that form of punishment anymore but when they were younger...absolutely. I have never seen a thing in the world wrong w/ it. I certainly never beat them in any way shape or form but they have had their share. I had mine too when I was little and i am no violent crazy person. I am as normal as any of you and my mother once wore my butt out w/ a hairbrush and a wooden spoon. GASP!!! can you imagine the absolute horror..LOL.

bettylou · 03-08-2008, 11:41 PM

My kids are now 11 and 15 and we have spanked them on some occasion, on the rear end with our hand. They are too old now so it's not an issue anymore. I believe in spanking, not abusing however. I believe they are two totally different things. I do not believe that spanking is the answer to every discipline situation, but it is good in certain ones. Other situations require time outs or taking away priviledges.

Guccirush · 03-08-2008, 11:48 PM

DH and I have decided that we won't spank our children. If I can't properly raise and discipline my children without hurting them then I need to ask for help.

Neither my parents nor my grandparents ever spanked..... so I can't see when there would be a need. But I am curious on those who do spank-- what would be an example of a situation that spanking would be called for. Because maybe I've just never witnessed a situation that it might actually be good for.

Jellylou · 03-09-2008, 01:14 AM

I do not spank my son. Time out seems to work well for us.

I can not even remember if my parents spanked me. I do recall being slapped in the face for talking back a couple of times. I was a teen at the time.

I also remember my Mom spanking my younger sisters once. They held their butts and laughed as they ran off. I think that memory kind of made me think spanking was not really worth while.

Jared&Maggie'smom · 03-09-2008, 07:22 AM

I think that each child is different and what works well for one will not be effective with another. I know growing up, I could get a look from my dad and that was all that I needed. My son is the same way. My daughter time outs are not as effective with her or the "look". She sometimes needs that swat on the bottom for her to realize that we are serious and that she needs to obey.

I think that there is a time and place for spanking and that it is not the right discipline in each circumstance with each child.

Christy · 03-09-2008, 07:49 AM

I haven't even read the responses but wanted to say: "girrrrl, you are BRAVE!!!"

This topic can get really heated....

I love my children therefore I do spank. I spank after three warnings. I spank for immediate behavior modification.

liamsmom · 03-09-2008, 04:22 PM

I don't plan on it. I know I have a long road ahead of me since ds is only almost 2, but we will use consequences like time outs and losing priveleges and a punishment to fit and fix the crime. (ie: if you refuse to keep your room clean, then we will spend your Sat afternoon picking up garbage at the park so we learn to respect our surroundings)
We were spanked a handful of times by my parents, open hand on the clothed bottom, they used it as a reaction to an extreme situation that could be dangerous. Their theory was that if you rarely ever do it, then the impact will be greater when you have to. I don't remember mine, but I do remember one time when my little brother ran out into the street, he was about 2 and we lived on a busy city street. My Mom picked him up and swatted him on the bottom to shock him. Then he went into a time out. He never ran out in the street again.
So, even though I do not plan on it, I could see reacting in that manner to a dangerous situation, one swat on the clothed bottom, to shock and make a point.
However, I know I would feel very very guilty for it. I want to be a good example of how to solve your problems without hitting. I have worked with too many chidlren that are scared of their parents instead of respecting them. I think that's sad.

RobertPost'schild · 03-09-2008, 10:19 PM

I love my child and that is why I do Not spank.

I might be a heathen according to some, because I do not take the Old Testament literally. That's fine with me. I only have Jesus to answer to and I have a HARD time he would tell me I do not love my child enough to hurt them.

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