These words are not condescending? Rude? Mean? Hatefilled? Please tell me WHERE in the Bible it says that we should treat others like this. Where does it say we shall hate? Please answer these questions for me. I am not going to post any more on this topic. I may not even post on this board anymore. I get shaky and sick when people who claim that they LOVE the Lord judge others and treat them so badly.

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When the religion board was started, someone asked Rakshanda to explain her faith, Islam. She answered many questions & cleared up a lot of confusion. I don't recall any of the Christians coming on the board & warning people of the dangers of that faith, quoting the bible, etc. So, now we have the same scenario with a different faith, but this faith is being called demonic & dangerous. This should have just been a simple Q&A session on Tink's faith. Not a "your religion is wrong because my holy book says so."

I know Melanie has real issues with this sort of stuff because of past posts where she has mentioned seeing people possessed by demons or seeing actual real demons. So I'm sorry that witches scare her, but I've never met a witch I didn't like. OK - one. My ex-husband's wife. What a piece of work she is.

And Lady of the Lake - just because you believe in a God or the devil does not mean they exist. They exist TO YOU. Not to me and not to many others. That's why it's called FAITH. You believe it despite the fact there is no proof. That's what faith is. I've seen enough proof to convince me otherwise.

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I don't want to be a johnny-come-lately...but... *I have read this entire thread. *I think a lot of the confusion is based on supposition, assumption, and a whole lot of rhetoric. *I am tempted to quote a whole lot of differnt posts to show everyone what they are saying rather than what I think they are meaning, but this would end up being a very long post. *

It all started with a question.... a question that a smart woman like kemtee knew or should have known would stir up a little drama. (love reading your posts dear!) *

This post was answered. *I think some bad analogies were used.... Tink does not say anthing about her faith...just makes an inferance.

At this point kemtee says thanks. *I believe this is where it started a life of its own. *The questions started flying and *a lot of information was freely given and fun was had by all.

OMG a christian adds a little validity by saying quite frankly, this stuff is real, not to be toyed with, and may have reprcussions. *I read it as a warning, not a personal attack. *I might add she quoted her source as well. Just like in debate club

Then the fit really hit the shan. *At the end of the very next response Tink tells her "[b]IT'S YOUR ####...
YOU BURN IN IT!!!"

I am not a witch, wiccan, chrisitan, muslim *all of which were used in the onslaught... *so I am not taking sides... but it does seem to me that as soon a someone says they are christian they are immediately attacked as being "closed minded" and that tolerance is the only way to elightenment.

Tolerance is a double edged sword. *Some things should not be tolerated... not that this is one of those things... but lets look at the intent rather than the words shall we. *Maybe we all can just get along

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You're right. It should have well occurred to me that asking a simple question would have brought out the Witchfinder General. Silly me for thinking we could be civil and adult about a simple question between me and someone with a little information to share. Gourds, y'all… I'll know better than to ask anything outside of a #### PM next time.

For the record, I was not attempting to create any blinking drama. I was seeking information from someone better informed on a subject than myself. If it's drama you want, I'll start something… it'd be worth my time and my blood pressure to get my anger out somewhere.

My question was answered in a way that made perfect sense to me. I understood the analogies well and think it was an apt comparison, given my background on the subject. Follow-up questions were asked by the curious, and I thought everything was going rather well.

The "validity" added is not valid. It was a posting made without necessity. If this is a subject that causes the poster so much consternation, then she had the object to click out and cease reading it. She did NOT have to start the proselytizing in a place where it was not welcome, and likely to earn her censure. Had this whole conversation taken place face-to-face, and some passer-by interjected the same into the real-time conversation, then I may NOT have been so pleasant about the whole thing. Alas, the dynamics of a discussion board work differently, but the game remains the same.

When Tink replied as you chose to quote, you take it as an affront. I take it as a statement of opinion. To a witch or a wiccan, there is no ####. Thus, the only real "danger" exists to the person who does believe in it.

I do not attack Christians wholesale as being closeminded. I am fully aware that not all Christians are closeminded. Most, certainly, are not. But the ones who are, and who come across with this attitude that they have the ONLY solution ruin it for everyone else.

No one has all the answers. No one. Man is not perfect, and man himself has corrupted the answers -- assuming that he ever had them -- over time. Holy cripes, y'all, isn't that why there are still wars in the world? Why there have been atrocities committed all throughout history? Have we learned nothing from the Inquisition? The Holocaust? What's happening in Sudan? Israel? Iran? China? Don't you get it? When someone starts this ONLY PATH business is when it all gets out of hand.

Don't tell me to look at the intent, not the words. Words mean something. That's something we've gotten too far away from in this country. That anyone can erase anything by offering some half-hearted "well, I really didn't mean it that way." Baloney. The words escape not of their own volition -- you put them out there. Which means that the thoughts came from you. Own your business like an adult instead of trying to cover your butt afterwards. Think before you speak. The intent IS the words.

Tolerance is born of understanding. When you choose to misunderstand, or to remain ignorant of others' beliefs and lifestyles, you foment -- purposely -- hatred. Does the word "witch" go against what the more fundamentalist Christians have been taught? Certainly, if they choose to focus solely on that. Do they choose to understand and learn exactly what it encompasses? No. They condemn and issue their warnings, without even knowing what in Hades they're speaking about. Yet the rest of us are called to censure for Christian-bashing.

Leave it alone, y'all. Once and for all, just leave it the f**k alone. I am so incredibly sorry that I ever brought it up. It's crap like this that can turn a person off religion altogether.

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Oh, dear, not faith and religion. Message boards!

Merry Meet All,
I never ment to start any trouble here.. I am truly sorry. I should not have said " Its your ####, you burn in it"
I never ment that as a statement dirrected at anyone... All I ment was that The devil and #### was created belief by Christian churches Centuries ago as a way to scare its people.. Therefore as I do not believe in either, I can not go to a place that I believe dose not exist... But again I am very sorry if I upset anyone, that was never my intention...
I did not try to explain my religion ,I posted links so you could read about it and draw your own conclusions...
I am NOT EVIL, I do NOT practise BLACK magic... I do NOT harm ...I HELP whenever I can....
I do not Try to change anyones beliefs.......
I have no need for people to JOIN in my belief's.....
I know who I am and I am HAPPY....
I am Happy to answer questions or post a link for information...
I am NOT DEMONIC... The DEVIL dose NOT exist for me, therefore anything DEMONIC dose NOT exist either...
Please, I am NOT saying all this to upset anyone, I deeply RESPECT your belief's and your GOD, I have Your GOD in my home, he is very welcome here....
I celibrate YULE and Christmas , I LOVE them both....
I have been to Catholic church, and have great respect for that Holy place... The celings did not fall down when I entered....
I dont know what else I can say, I am sorry...
If you do not want me here, it's OK, I will stay away....
If any need help , I Light candles and Pray also....sending Energy's to help with the problem's or pain's..

Thank you for alowing me time here.. I enjoyed this forum...
I truly never ment to offend...
In your service...
Brightest Blessings to All.

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Let's not play games people, this thread was attacked in an attempt to shut it down and scare people off from asking questions. Interfere if you feel the need to but not asking questions to someone of another faith is not something I am willing to do. Everyone has a right to post here about their religions and beliefs whether they seem right, wrong, or indifferent to you. No one has the right to just start the slander of a belief to shut someone else up, especially so they can further promote their own agendas, to me that is just wrong. Glad to see this thread hasn't gone anywhere as that would say only "approved" beliefs are allowed.

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I've never questioned you intentions or respect for others for a second Tink. Sorry we couldn't extend the same kindness to you. We'll keep trying, education banishes ignorance.

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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
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I'd be more offended if you left. That's just giving into the bigotry.

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