Question about Jesus - Page 6

jenetty · 02-19-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rakshanda

I am about 3/4 of the way through a book by Sylvia Brown - Secret Societies. it talked about Opus Dei and a lot of other groups. But she also talks about Jesus and how he didnt die and he survived and he married Mary Magdalene and travelled the world and settled and South France and even had kids! She has many experts from the Gospels showing examples of him being crusified by Pilot, but it was show and he wasnt killed, he was drugged and made to look like he died, then he was taken down and placed in a tomb, when it was normal to bury in the ground and then his body was removed, here Christians believe he left Earth and went to Heaven, but the soul would go right? not the physical body? so his followers moved him and helped him recover and then he left the country after giving instructions to his diciples. She talks about how the Early church didnt want this story told, so some gospels were omittied from the New Testement and, Christ was portrayed as what we think of him now, rather than a normal human being with a big job from God.

I know there are a lot of religious ladies on this site, and I would like to know if you beleive in this, also Calimari our resident Aethist, do you beleive this?

I think I believe it, In Islam we believe Jesus was a prophet, he was sent down by God and he was here to create unity and show people the right way. We just done beleive he was the "Son of God", or in the "trinity"

I would love to know what you ladies think......

Hi there!

I am a big time and long standing Sylvia Browne fan and I love all the things she proposes in her books. I am also now a gnostic, spiritual seeker, and a member of her church, Novus Spiritus. I think the best thing about her is she always tells her readers and fans NOT to take her word for it. She encourages us to search for the answers we are looking for in other sources and not to stop until you're satisfied.

I have always questioned the "church" and the Holy Bible. So when Sylvia came along in my life, it was like my LIGHT. But I don't take everything she says to heart and leave it at that. I always go searching. But the funny thing is, the more I search the more I find out that Sylvia knows what she's talking about. Sometimes her OPINION gets in the way of her teachings, but otherwise she's pretty dead on.

I am a true believer in the idea that if it doesn't speak to your soul than it's probably not true. Your inner being leads you to the truth and it never steers you wrong because after all that is your connection to God.

So after some hardcore searching and asking God to lead me only to the truth I have to say that I truly believe that Jesus and Magdeline were married. I believe Jesus' mission was not solely to die on the cross (as many Christians focus on) but to pass on a new message that needed to be heard. He brought us a message that God LOVES US 100% and nothing we can do can ever change that. Many of His messages were lost and misunderstood when the "authorities" decided what would be Christian canon and what would not. They chose or created stories that could lead the masses by fear and not by love as Jesus had intended.

Check out Sylvia's website (www.sylvia.org) and she lists a bunch of books that she recommends for those wanting to learn more about Christian history. Also, check out Youtube and search for "Jesus' lost years" and "The Lost Gospels" and "The Dead Sea Scrolls".

Many blessings to you and I hope you find the answers you're seeking!
~Jeannette

stephpook · 02-19-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Happymummy

When people ask him about John 14:6, Thangaraj replies with another Scripture.

“One way I would answer is what about Acts 10:34-35 where Peter says, ‘I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.’ “

I think John 14:6 is pretty straightforward. "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.''

I believe that the scripture passage previously quoted (Acts 10:34-35) is clearly taken out of context. If you continue reading in Acts 10, starting with verse 36 (the verse directly after the two quoted above) through verse 44, you will see the rest of what Peter says:

"You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached- how God annointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

"We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree, but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen - by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

The disciples and apostles (who were of Jewish descent) were told to accept people from every walk of life because the gift of salvation is open to anyone (the Gentiles) regardless of race, religion, etc. But part of accepting that gift is believing that Jesus Christ is the son of God - I mean, it's pretty much central to what Jesus said. Jesus IS the new covenant between us and God. This passage doesn't contradict John 14:6, it reinforces it.

changed4life · 02-19-2008, 02:40 PM

Thanks for the quote HappyMummy!
I read it through, but honestly don't see it the way you've expressed. The Old Testament is under the Old Covenant. Under the New Testament and New Covenant, Jesus is the final way of reaching God. He was named the ultimate sacrifice and so, no longer are people's sins forgiven through good works or the sacrificial blood of an animal. Now, Jesus has become the final sacrificial lamb. His blood was the final blood shed for forgiveness. Being a Christian, I am lead to believe this as truth.

Thanks again. I wanted to see it for myself so I can disect it. So many verses can be difficult to understand.

stephpook · 02-19-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Happymummy

The passage that I remember from what we discussed in bible study about the many paths to god is

Genesis 17.4 " This is my convenant with you: YOu will be the father of many nations. No longer will you be called Abram, your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations..... 7 I will esablish my convenant as an everlasting convenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants."

Now Abraham is considered to be the father of Judism, Islam and Christianity. So if we are all his descendants then why can't there be the seperaism (sp).

God does tell Abraham that he will be the father of many nations in verses 5-6; however, the promise that He makes to be “your God and the God of your descendants after you” (vs. 7) is addressed specifically to those with whom He establishes His covenant (see the beginning of verse 7). If you read on in the chapter, you will learn that Ishmael, Abraham’s son with Hagar (Sarah’s concubine), whose descendents many people believe make up the nation of Islam, is not a part of that covenant. The covenant was reserved for Abraham’s descendents through Isaac only (the Israelites).

Genesis 17:17-21 says:

“Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, ‘Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?’ And Abraham said to God, ‘If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!’”

“Then God said, ‘Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac…’”

There are also many, many other religions presumably not covered in this passage, many of them ancient (Hindu, Buddhist, Greek, Roman, and Norse mythology, etc. etc. etc.). God also excludes other religions of the time, most notably that of the Canaanites whose land God promised to Isaac’s descendants and whose religions God tells the Israelites time and time again to resist.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t think this passage effectively proves your point. We read time and time again in the New Testament that the gift of salvation is for everyone – Jew and Gentile, but we also read (consistently) that there is only one way to receive this gift – and that is through faith in Jesus Christ.

calimari · 02-19-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by changed4life

Thanks for the quote HappyMummy!
I read it through, but honestly don't see it the way you've expressed. The Old Testament is under the Old Covenant. Under the New Testament and New Covenant, Jesus is the final way of reaching God. He was named the ultimate sacrifice and so, no longer are people's sins forgiven through good works or the sacrificial blood of an animal. Now, Jesus has become the final sacrificial lamb. His blood was the final blood shed for forgiveness. Being a Christian, I am lead to believe this as truth.

Thanks again. I wanted to see it for myself so I can disect it. So many verses can be difficult to understand.

This brings up something I've wanted to ask for a long time, but haven't. I've heard Christians mention that the new testament is the new covenant, with Christ, and that it takes priority or pre-empts what was in the old-testament. If that is the case, then why do Christians believe the Genesis story literally? That is in the Old Testament. Why is ANYTHING in the Old Testament held up as truth to Christians? It is the holy book of the Jews, yes, but if Jesus brought a New Testament, why do Christians cling to the old?
I'm not asking this to be a pain, this is something I've wondered about for a long time.

Happymummy · 02-19-2008, 03:48 PM

I'm with you Calamari, I see that Jesus was a Jew and taught the old testament, he believed in it, therefore the old testament must be taken into account. Not only to understand what he was teaching but also to reinfoce who he was. I do not see why the old testment becomes irrelevant just because a new one came along. I believe in the gospels as being true and accurate but it's the stuff that comes after the resurrection that sometimes I have a hard time accepting as they are letters written by a man to a newly formed church. Also King James and King George, the catholic church all had the input as to what would be in the new testament and I do not trust the catholic church it has more secrets then the English Royal family....

Jared&Maggie'smom · 02-19-2008, 03:56 PM

Because Jesus came to fulfill all of the prophecies that are in the OT. The OT is building block for the NT. It gives the basics that God is a loving God but He is also just and won't allow just anyone to heaven - you must have a relationship with Him thru His Son, Jesus. God has always said that the punishment for sin was death. In the OT, this was death of a lamb or some other acceptable animal. God sent His Son, Jesus who was perfect and sinless to be the lamb for us all. God gives His son freely to all - but you must accept Jesus' death as the payment for your own sins in order to enter into heaven with Him.

I look at my "religion" as a relationship with God and not as a religion and that makes a huge difference.

Happymummy · 02-19-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared&Maggie'smom

I look at my "religion" as a relationship with God and not as a religion and that makes a huge difference.

I agree, when I was searching as to what 'faith' I would belong to I went to many different churchs and they all seemed to be about promoting themselves instead of the God and Jesus. So instead no I call myself a Christian not a protestant, catholic etc...

I also want to clarify becasue I think some people think that I don't believe that Jesus is my Saviour. I do believe that I turn to him every day. I just also think that other people have a right to believe what they do and one of the reasons why people of different faiths don't talk openly about their religions with each other is because people think their religion is exclusively right. I believe the Lord Jesus died for my sins, I believe He lives in me and walks with me everyday. But who am I to condemn my friends who are muslim? I respect their right to their religion, they respect mine and we have great discussions about the two without feeling threatened.

Jared&Maggie'smom · 02-19-2008, 04:13 PM

Happymummy - then how do you line that up with Jesus saying "I am THE Truth, THE Way, THE Life, no one comes to the Father but thru me." ? He didn't say I am one of many ways or a way - He said "I am THE Way".

I too believe that anyone can believe how they want. I do not want to take away anyone's freedom, just like I do not want anyone to take away mine.

stephpook · 02-19-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared&Maggie'smom

Because Jesus came to fulfill all of the prophecies that are in the OT. The OT is building block for the NT. It gives the basics that God is a loving God but He is also just and won't allow just anyone to heaven - you must have a relationship with Him thru His Son, Jesus. God has always said that the punishment for sin was death. In the OT, this was death of a lamb or some other acceptable animal. God sent His Son, Jesus who was perfect and sinless to be the lamb for us all. God gives His son freely to all - but you must accept Jesus' death as the payment for your own sins in order to enter into heaven with Him.

I look at my "religion" as a relationship with God and not as a religion and that makes a huge difference.

I agree. Jared&Maggie'smom - you explained everything very eloquently (in my opinion).