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Old 07-18-2006, 12:37 PM   #1
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I was reading the Sunday paper today (yes I know it's Tuesday!!) and the front page headline was “Underage pregnancy evidence of crime”.
In Kansas from 2000 to 2004, 985 Kansas girls ages 11-15 gave birth! That number doesn't even include the girls under 16 that had abortions. 466 girls under 16 had abortion in kansas from 2000-2004! The sick thing is that the age of the fathers were a lot older. The youngest father on record was 14, and the oldest 35, with the biggest concentration with 356 at ages 16-19. So these young girls are having sex with these older guys, and for what? I guess I just didn't realize how young girls are starting to get into the sex thing. I know it's becoming a lot less significant than it used to be, but 11 years old! It's just makes my heart ache

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Here's the full article. It won't let me link it, so you'll just have to copy/paste. Sorry!

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new.../crime_courts/
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Old 07-18-2006, 12:52 PM   #2
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It's so sad that these pervs are stealing their chances and an education, living their dream, and at least having their health. There are serious gynecological health issues for girls that age delivering babies, of course let's not forget exposure to diseases. These girls would be much better suited to baby dolls than babies.
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:12 PM   #3
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See. the shocking part to me wasn't the amount of teenage girls getting pregnant but the article accompanying it.

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Quote[/b] ]Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline and Sedgwick County District Attorney Nola Foulston are appealing a federal judge's ruling that Kansas law gives more discretion to health care professionals in determining what sexual activity harms young people than what Kline or Foulston want allowed.

U.S. District Judge J. Thomas Marten also ruled that the state's top law enforcement officers misread the law on what constitutes suspected sexual abuse.

At the center of the debate is a struggle between health and legal professionals over who is best suited to determine what is harmful, and what is normal sexual activity for young people. The case has attracted national attention for its potentially precedent-setting boundaries on what kind of privacy teenagers can expect in the offices of doctors and counselors.

Kline wants most sexual activity between those under age 16 reported to state social services and law enforcement. Foulston testified at trial to an even stricter reading of the law, wanting nearly all sex between young teens reported.

Health care professionals have argued that such strict reporting would drive teens away from needed services, including prenatal care, birth control or treatment for diseases and mental health therapy.

The next step in the case will be oral arguments before the appellate court in Denver.
Maybe this will start a controversial debate, which is not intended. But....

I hate that they are trying to take away underage women's rights at the dr. The DR's are right, It will drive underage teens away from much needed care if they interfere this way.
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:30 PM   #4
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I don't think it is happeneing all over the US.... I think it is good that Kanasas is putting it out there... I do think more people should be informed about theese types of actions. I feel there are a lot of older guys preying on younger women/girls. I can remember my senior yr of highschool there were 2 girls that came into the 9th grade pregent. I feel that more parents are relying on others to talk to their kids about sex, safe sex and what type of sexual conduct is not right. I mean we are all human and some teens to start having sex but we do still need to educate. The schools can only educate and talk about sex/safe sex so much. Usually they just touch on it in health class and thats it... It is not enough.
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:36 PM   #5
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However, the problem is - Some Parents don't want their kids spoken to about sex, they want their kids to only know Abstinence. Most sex education programs now, are focused on NOT having sex rather than trying to show our kids HOW to have safe sex.

I went to a school that only taught abstinence, and more girls were having sex there than you could imagine (it was a lutheran school and we signed contracts stating that we wouldn't engage in pre-martial sex). One of the girls in the class above me got pregnant and kicked out of school. I think she should have been supported and embraced.

When young children see commercials that say "condoms are not reliable", or cannot obtain necessary protection without their parents consent - they take a chance. Then we end up with children who are pregnant, babies having babies. It's sad. IMO
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:51 PM   #6
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I agree that abstinance should not be the only thing taught. I think that they have to know what's out there so that they aren't doing it out of curiosity. But I do not think that schools should not hand out condoms, and birth control either. I also think that parents do not take a big enough roll, and some do expect the school to do all the educating in this area. Personally I believe that it is a parents responsibility to talk about this, and provde the appropriate birth control methods for their children.
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Old 07-18-2006, 04:18 PM   #7
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Quote[/b] ]I agree that abstinance should not be the only thing taught. I think that they have to know what's out there so that they aren't doing it out of curiosity. But I do not think that schools should not hand out condoms, and birth control either. I also think that parents do not take a big enough roll, and some do expect the school to do all the educating in this area. Personally I believe that it is a parents responsibility to talk about this, and provde the appropriate birth control methods for their children.
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I agree. Parents should talk to their kids and not be afraid to educate them about sex. However, I think schools need to have resources for kids who do not have that support at home. My bestfriends highschool had a health center that provided free condoms - some BC - a psychatrist and a RN. Public school that allowed their students access to contraceptives but didn't just give them out to anyone. I think this is a great resource for kids who do not have outside support to obtain contraceptives. And enables those students to request the information in a confidential matter. I wish more schools had that option.
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Old 07-18-2006, 04:45 PM   #8
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Quote[/b] (bennis_mama @ July 18 2006,16:18)]
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Quote[/b] ]I agree that abstinance should not be the only thing taught. I think that they have to know what's out there so that they aren't doing it out of curiosity. But I do not think that schools should not hand out condoms, and birth control either. I also think that parents do not take a big enough roll, and some do expect the school to do all the educating in this area. Personally I believe that it is a parents responsibility to talk about this, and provde the appropriate birth control methods for their children.
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I agree. Parents should talk to their kids and not be afraid to educate them about sex. *However, I think schools need to have resources for kids who do not have that support at home. My bestfriends highschool had a health center that provided free condoms - some BC - a psychatrist and a RN. Public school that allowed their students access to contraceptives but didn't just give them out to anyone. *I think this is a great resource for kids who do not have outside support to obtain contraceptives. *And enables those students to request the information in a confidential matter. *I wish more schools had that option.
Your version of "support at home" may not be the same as others, though. My kids, those who are old enough to be, ARE educated. They know how it happens, what happens, what COULD happen, etc. BUT, I tell all of that with ABSTINENCE still in mind...because that is my expectation of them, if at all possible, as that is also GOD'S expectation. I have told them that if they come to a point in their life where they find that it is worth it to "go ahead", then, yes, come to me and we will talk further, but I would be LIVID to know that a school or a dr. or whoever would give my child a condom, put a daughter on birth control, etc. without my consent or at least knowledge. And, for inquiring minds, I WAS a teen pregnancy statistic...through the grace of God, I got through it and thrived...as did my daughter, who is now the oldest of six kids and was adopted by my husband as soon as we were married.
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Quote[/b] (blessed_with_6 @ July 18 2006,16:45)]Your version of "support at home" may not be the same as others, though. *My kids, those who are old enough to be, ARE educated. *They know how it happens, what happens, what COULD happen, etc. *BUT, I tell all of that with ABSTINENCE still in mind...because that is my expectation of them, if at all possible, as that is also GOD'S expectation. *I have told them that if they come to a point in their life where they find that it is worth it to "go ahead", then, yes, come to me and we will talk further, but I would be LIVID to know that a school or a dr. or whoever would give my child a condom, put a daughter on birth control, etc. without my consent or at least knowledge. *And, for inquiring minds, I WAS a teen pregnancy statistic...through the grace of God, I got through it and thrived...as did my daughter, who is now the oldest of six kids and was adopted by my husband as soon as we were married.
I agree, and couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:05 PM   #10
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I guess that's where we differ- I would only be upset if my daughter felt like she couldn't come to me first not because the DR didn't tell me. I'm a huge advocate for Planned parenthood because they gave me options when I was pregnant at 18. I would want that for my daughter.

You provided a good example of an open environment but not all teens have that. For those who don't, clinics are an only option. Putting restrictions on contraceptives and BC will only make teens not use them.
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