It seems to me that don't want the world to revolve around kids but themselves instead. Wonder what their parents did wrong ot make them feel so self important? Not sure I'd let someone with that view be my child's Godparent anymore. You really have no place being in line to parent of you can't stand kids. And to clarify they should be speaking unrestrained children without proper supervision but what makes these adults so special? What's next elderly people can't walk on sidewalks b/c they may walk slower which inhibits other people's schedules? How ridiculous and me first our society is becoming!

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* Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.

~Ron Paul

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
- James Madison

The world doesn't revolve around children. Never has, nor should it. Children are developing creatures. Adults run the world. Adults operate the world. Adults supply the world and make it possible for children to grow and flourish. Adults have responsibilities to the rest of the world to make sure that their progeny are prepared to take their place as responsible adult citizens. Adults do NOT have to kowtow or worship the cult of child and make it clear that whatever Junior wants, Junior gets, because after all, he's only a kid for a short time and therefore he should be able to act like a little tyrant and after all, what's your problem because you don't think my little brat is the center of the effing universe?

I stand by my first point in my previous response.

How ridiculous society is becoming, indeed.

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Whoa hold the phone, You misunderstood my point. Who is one person to think that others should be banned from places "they" like b/c it may inconvenience them? I no more agree that a child should be able to ravish a restaurant or store than I agree that someone who doesn't like children should be able to get them banned from entering. I don't make exceptions for children but at the same time I don't make exceptions for someone else who chooses to go out into society and impost their will b/c they are an adult. No I don't think society should bend for children but it shouldn't bend for anyone even an adult who thinks they are above someone else. That was my point.

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* Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.

~Ron Paul

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
- James Madison

I'm sorry, but I agree with the lady's friend on this one. Letting a toddler run up and down the aisles of a plane? How annoying! I would never let my dd do that. If I didn't think my child could behave herself on a plane, I wouldn't take her on one. If we had to travel somewhere, we would make other transportation arrangements. Also, it's not safe letting a child run around on a plane. What if someone trips on the brat and one of them gets hurt? What if the plane hits an air pocket and junior gets hurt? Are the parents going to sue the airline for their own lack of parenting?

I also disagree with the article stating the kids are just as well behaved today as they were in previous generations. I don't think so. Kids nowadays get away with and heck of a lot more than my generation ever did.

My dd is not perfect and has had her lovely moments before, but I don't let her run wild in stores or scream at the top of her lungs. If she loses some brain cells and decides to engage in this type of behavior, she will find herself out of the store/restaurant/where ever and in the back seat of the car, usually with a warm bottom. My child should never be someone else's burden or annoyance.

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I agree w/ the essence of this artical, although some of the names they called the children were in bad taste. Children should be made to behave in public. It is the parents responsiblity to do this, not just let them run and be disturbing to others. I think it is important to take children to public places and often to teach them how to behave. They should be quiet in libraries and bookstores, they should sit in their seats on planes and parents shouldn't let them harrase others who would like some quiet. No, they aren't going to sit like statues, but I think we all know a situation when we wish a parent would intervene and make their children act a bit more civilized. I am a strict parent. I won't let my kids run a muck and have had comments like, "oh, kids will be kids." I don't buy that. If they are not taught at a young age what the rules are and how they should act in public, how are we going to expect them to be curtious adults. It's never the kids I'm upset with in these situations, it's the parents that should do their job.

BTW: This may sound terrible, but in my prechild life, I used to dread going to restaurants when their were little kids. Most times it was the end of a nice quiet dinner Now, of course, I understand a little more what the parents are going through, but honestly still think they should be in their seats with quiet voices. And frankly, when they are being naughty, I can grin now instead of being irritated and think, at least it's not mine.

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from the article:
"Remember, the golden rule of parenting is to always behave how you want your kids to behave,"

We went to lunch after church Sunday and sitting next to us was a man on the phone talking loudly and laughing. My DS (who has autism, so we are constantly working on his social skills ANYWAY) turned around tapped him on the shoulder and said "you are too loud and the rule is to be quiet and polite in a restaurant". I wanted to applaud my DS!! But of course I didn't and had to tell my DS to turn around and finish his food. But people around me smiled in gratitude because the man got up and finished his "conversation" outside.

How can we expect kids to behave when the grown ups don't?

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Debbie

"Watch the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves." --Benjamin Franklin

Mea culpa. I misunderstood you.

OTOH, I still maintain that a private business should be able to, with few exceptions, decide who they will serve and who they will not. Not on basis of race, religion, national origin, etc., of course, but if they wish to set an age limit, then so be it. Private businesses should be able to set a LOT of limits, but that's another thread.

In the season brochures for the choral group I used to sing with, it clearly states that no one under age six will be admitted to any concert. Period. I have seen the ticket takers turn people away from the door who have attempted to flout that rule. I'm glad that this policy is in place. I don't know many small children who would be able to sit through two hours of renaissance music without difficulty. (For that matter, there are few enough adults able to do so.) At $25 a ticket, a person should be able to sit in peace. But for that matter, I wouldn't care if it were a FREE concert. The patron came to hear the music, not to listen to someone's child act up.

It is rude for the parent to allow their children to misbehave in public. It teaches the child nothing about proper behavior, proper respect for others, one's place in the grand scheme of things and self-control. It is bad parenting, plain and simple, and a symptom of a much greater problem. It will eventually unleash onto society an out-of-control, self-centered adult who will only perpetuate the problems that are already plaguing the world today.

And if that makes me a bad person who hates kids, so be it. I've been called worse.

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The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
-- H. L. Mencken

i have to agree with kemtee on all the points she has made. i was also a waitress for some time and had to clean up many messes, and had little children racing around underfoot where hot food could get spilled on then while thie parents socialized with each other and their friends. kemtee basically said everything i wanted to say. thanks kemtee!

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"there is nothing to worry about, just plenty to think about" from an episode of Extreme Makeover House edition

check out my blog:
http://mommysavers.com/boards/journa...owjournal&j=21

:D On our mom's night out we pruposely look for kid-free areas so we don't have to deal with loud kids- all of us thinking "at least they aren't ours!"

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Debbie

"Watch the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves." --Benjamin Franklin

It's not that kid-free places aren't a good idea for those who don't want to be bothered there are many bars and other adult places that don't allow children. I have no problem with management asking someone to rein in thier child if they are causing a disturbance. I have asked that of parents but didn't say don't bring your child in. If a business owner wants to totally exclude children that's fine, they will probably lose alot of clientele b/c of it but that's their choice. BUT can you really say ban kids from flying b/c it might disturb someone? It is discrimintaion on the basis of age. I don't like most of the general public but that doesn't mean I should be able to say where they should exist. I don't allow my child to run wild, he will not cause me embarrassment in public, I wasn't allowed to and neither will he be. All of these adults should remember that they too were kids and that they won't be able to run this world forever thus we need kids. Kids have a specific place in our world. Again, I maintain that no person's rights should be infringed upon for the sake of another's rights. Not the child and parent's rights nor the "non-breeder's" rights.

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* Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.

~Ron Paul

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
- James Madison