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Old 10-26-2007, 01:51 AM   #11
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Raised he*l. It wasn't an isolated incident, and there's a whole file I'm keeping. I got the district involved. Hah. They circle their wagons. When something happened this school year I pushed even harder. Currently, the problem has been solved by them keeping the other child isolated and in structured activities and away from my son at all times.

So, respectfully disagreeing, when I read the facts in this case, I don't agree that it is p.c. run amok. They do need to take this stuff seriously, when one child pictures himself pointing a gun (who knows if it's a water gun?) at another. That was my point. When you write "Kill so and so." on paper, it needs to be taken seriously in today's era.

That kid threatening my kid, by the way, is allowed to play many video games, of which I found out quite a few were...let's say, older than he should have had. Gee....Special Needs child, playing violent video games, threatening others. Think it's connected?
He comes from a good family, who really tries to help him....But....
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:31 AM   #12
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Raised he*l. It wasn't an isolated incident, and there's a whole file I'm keeping. I got the district involved. Hah. They circle their wagons. When something happened this school year I pushed even harder. Currently, the problem has been solved by them keeping the other child isolated and in structured activities and away from my son at all times.

So, respectfully disagreeing, when I read the facts in this case, I don't agree that it is p.c. run amok. They do need to take this stuff seriously, when one child pictures himself pointing a gun (who knows if it's a water gun?) at another. That was my point. When you write "Kill so and so." on paper, it needs to be taken seriously in today's era.

That kid threatening my kid, by the way, is allowed to play many video games, of which I found out quite a few were...let's say, older than he should have had. Gee....Special Needs child, playing violent video games, threatening others. Think it's connected?
He comes from a good family, who really tries to help him....But....

I have total empathy for the situation you and your son are in and I am sorry this is happening or has happened to you. This is not something any parent wants to go through. I would love to take all those little bullies and tie them to each other for the day and let them beat it out of each other if they are so tough!

However, I totally disagree that this is NOT political correctness run amok. How many of you as children did not label your pics "me" "you" when you were a child?
Being the devils advocate, who is to prove that the gun is not a water gun? Should he have been talked to about what is acceptable to draw in school? Yes Probably...but suspended? C'mon!
Frankly I think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of in my life.
My 4 yr old DD has a Pirates of the Carribean shirt with Jack Sparrow on it and he has an old fashioned gun. Would this be threatning to other children is she wore it, lets say to a friends house?
I don't dare put it on her for school for fear the PC Warden will come out in someone and expel my DD from preschool.
I wonder if that child would have drawn a picture of Himself and Prince Charming sword fighting(because a sword is a deadly weapon) if they would have suspended him for that?

With all these "zero tolerance" policies has this country become more peaceful? No! The adults are still not listening to the children when they come to them with concerns(ie: death threats, bullying, ect). Let's start there and not with an eight year olds stick drawing.
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Old 10-26-2007, 09:02 PM   #13
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We may have labeled our pics you and me, but not with guns pointing at each other. In addition, I have a feeling there is more background here than what was published. There usually is, and schools don't take suspension lightly.

But the schools need to start at the very beginning. The exclusionary groups, name calling, etc. There are teachers trained and knowledgeable in this area and others who are too busy or at too much of a loss to do anything. Others who feel their hands are tied by legalities. Did you know your teacher can't hug your child to comfort them when they fall down? Our school nurse couldn't apply sunscreen. My son had to do it with her supervision.
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We may have labeled our pics you and me, but not with guns pointing at each other. In addition, I have a feeling there is more background here than what was published. There usually is, and schools don't take suspension lightly.

But the schools need to start at the very beginning. The exclusionary groups, name calling, etc. There are teachers trained and knowledgeable in this area and others who are too busy or at too much of a loss to do anything. Others who feel their hands are tied by legalities. Did you know your teacher can't hug your child to comfort them when they fall down? Our school nurse couldn't apply sunscreen. My son had to do it with her supervision.

Yes I do know they cannot be touched in a good way at school, and I think that is so sad.
That is one of the reasons my DD goes to a private school, because they do hug them there. This is where they spend up to 8+ hours 5 days a week for 17+ years of their life.
And the big reason I believe this has happened is because there were some bad eggs as teachers and it ruined it for all of them. So then in walks "PC" and it runs amok.
I will still disagree with you when you say "we labeled our pics but not with guns pointing at each other". But that is my opinion. I am sure even back in 1950(when all the world was right, LOL) several boys drew pics of themselves as cowboys shooting something or someone........and it was all innocent(sp?) fun. I know, I know today is a different day and age, but lets ask ourselves why?
This is where I do agree with you about kids seeing things at home(video games, movies, ect) that they should not be seeing.
But on the other hand, I have 2, 9 year old nephews that go duck, squirrel, & goose hunting with highly trained hunters and Yes they shoot guns and animals. Some of you may think that is terrible but that is how my family was raised, Hunters.
Now I wonder this: if one of my nephews drew a pic lets say with a hunting rifle and just himself, is that threatning as well?
Where is the line drawn is all I am asking and why is our society still so violent with all these "rules" we have set?
Remember.... I totally think your situation is different than the boy with the picture(if they are giving us the full story about him). Your son is being bullied which I think is completely wrong. I totally feel for your situation.
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