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Old 10-07-2008, 02:53 PM   #31
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What do you read about them that isn't from the media?
They have their own websites.
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:53 PM   #32
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I am seeing some people feel that is was ok for biden to be disrespectful to palin because she was saying untrue statements, First of all Biden was just as guilty of saying untrue statements, I mean the fact that he said he has always been in agreement with everything obama has said in the beginning is a crock of crap and everyone knows that, He didnt even want Obama as a presidential candidate. I believe he called him inexperienced in the beginning too. So wether you like biden or palin everyone knows that majority of the politicians have never kept 100% of what they were saying, and technically isnt that what politicians are.....LIARS.
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:59 PM   #33
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What do you read about them that isn't from the media?
The difference between reading is you can filter fact from opinion much more easily. You don't have to deal with tone. As for media I guess you might be able to get balance if you watched FOX for an hour and then switched to MSNBC. If I were to believe FOX, Obama is a liberal anti Christ wishing to make us the next Russia. If I were to believe MSNBC ,McCain and Bush are long lost twins dropped on their heads and then separated at birth. It was absolutely pretzelfying to watch the guy who derided FISA in a special comment then try to justify Obama voting for it(olbermann).
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:07 PM   #34
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I am seeing some people feel that is was ok for biden to be disrespectful to palin because she was saying untrue statements, First of all Biden was just as guilty of saying untrue statements, I mean the fact that he said he has always been in agreement with everything obama has said in the beginning is a crock of crap and everyone knows that, He didnt even want Obama as a presidential candidate. I believe he called him inexperienced in the beginning too. So wether you like biden or palin everyone knows that majority of the politicians have never kept 100% of what they were saying, and technically isnt that what politicians are.....LIARS.

Why should they tell the truth when they get penalized for it? Heh, I keep waiting for the politician who tells the American people that we can cut taxes but more bridges are going to collapse, more levies will fail, we won't be able to pay for this war or the veterans it is creating, we can forget about a public school system that works and oh by the way, are you okay with the poor children going hungry and going without health care(and just count on that 50% of people that file bankruptcy for medical going up).


Politics, seems to me, to be largely theater and telling people what they want to hear. To his credit, I do believe McCain tried to do the right thing when he headed to DC during the economic crisis. Too bad we needed to watch him and Obama give carefully crafted 2 minute messages that could later be used for campaign ad material eh?
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:11 PM   #35
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:11 PM   #36
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The difference between reading is you can filter fact from opinion much more easily. You don't have to deal with tone. As for media I guess you might be able to get balance if you watched FOX for an hour and then switched to MSNBC. If I were to believe FOX, Obama is a liberal anti Christ wishing to make us the next Russia. If I were to believe MSNBC ,McCain and Bush are long lost twins dropped on their heads and then separated at birth. It was absolutely pretzelfying to watch the guy who derided FISA in a special comment then try to justify Obama voting for it(olbermann).
I see what you are saying. I try not to watch Fox or msnbc. I watch CNN, but it's not much better.
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They have their own websites.

I am aware of that, thanks. I'm sure they aren't biased on their own websites, either.
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Hmmmmmmm what was the book called again? I'm sure an author whose book basically has Obama(and his politics) in the title is going to be unbiased and could absolutely care less whether he wins or not. LOL. I used to think Hannity and his ilk could spin. This cycle has been an eye opener because the LEFT seems to have it down pretty well too. Pity that.
I believe that any person they get to moderate would care who wins. Every major newsperson who would be tapped to moderate has an opinion. Most of the country has already made up their mind. The key is to be unbiased in the act of being a moderator, and she was. Obama's name is in the title (age of Obama) but his politics is certainly not. That would be an extremely long title, I imagine. There is absolutely nothing she did that people can point to and say she was not fair and unbiased as a moderator.
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Find it amusing all you like. The comment made was that "poor Joe" shouldn't have had to share a stage wikth someone lacking experience. Guess what? He shares a TICKET with someone lacking experience. If you aren't certain what executive experioence is perhaps you can contact your local mayor, governor, or President Bush. The legislative branch is different than the executive. The decision making process in the legislative branch is much more collective(which is why Barack Obama was able to put his name on lots of OTHER peoples ideas and legislation. Hey, the guy who "created" him even bragged about "creating" him a US Senator. you just can't make this stuff up).

I'm sure it is NOT the equivalent of two terms in the Illinois Senate. Particularly since Sarah Palin had to make the decisions and take the responsibility of those decisions. At the very least she didn't have a bunch of people she could "crib" legislation from.

Some people obviously believe Obama lacks experience. So far, at least 50% of the country disagrees with that. I do know what executive experience is. My point is that every Palin supporter I've asked has not been able to tell me what it is, but they sure are quick to point out she has it - even though they don't know what it is. I've mentioned in earlier discussions that I've worked in city governments and am well aware of the role of mayors - in much larger towns than hers - and that the work is not so significant as to brag about it in a race of this magnitude. I was told to shut up, so I wasn't going to bring it up here.

Additionally, Obama's education far exceeds Palin's, and I find that impressive. Maybe others don't think education and preparation for a job like the presidency is important, but I do.
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I believe that any person they get to moderate would care who wins. Every major newsperson who would be tapped to moderate has an opinion. Most of the country has already made up their mind. The key is to be unbiased in the act of being a moderator, and she was. Obama's name is in the title (age of Obama) but his politics is certainly not. That would be an extremely long title, I imagine. There is absolutely nothing she did that people can point to and say she was not fair and unbiased as a moderator.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I was happy to hear what Sarah Palin had to say, particularly about energy and I am not certain she would have had the opportunity to say it if she had not taken it. Then again, as I stated I am not a big fan of these forums. Two minutes is far from an adequate period of time to talk in detail about any of these subjects. I wish we had more debates(which McCain tried to get, by the way). I wish that each of these debates focused on a particular area. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a politician to speak for an hour alone on each of these topics: health care, education, defense and diplomacy, energy, and economics.


My husband laughed because I left the room after about an hour and a half and told him to let me know when Ryan Seacrest came on to ask me to press one or two. The irony was that the "news" stations made my point when they did almost exactly that to figure out who "won" the debate. God save us from the media and their narrative.


I also found it particularly disturbing that the criteria for Sarah Palin was that she had to prove she knew facts but the criteria for Biden seemed to be that he had to prove that he could chew with his mouth closed at the dinner table going into the debate. I'm using a little creative liscense but that seemed to be the narrative. Let me tell you I am soooooooo relieved that both sides found their representatives were relatively successful.
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