Obama Sells Obama - Page 5

aliadam · 10-30-2008, 11:50 PM

Well I did a little searching since I like to deal in FACTS not innuendo. This is what I found. This article details how much Bush and Kerry spent in 2004.
USATODAY.com - Election ad battle smashes record in 2004

It has this quote:
"The parties and candidates adapted quickly. In the presidential campaign, both Kerry and Bush raised record amounts during the primary season: Bush $266 million, Kerry $221 million."

Here's another article that explains how Bush and Kerry both raised so much money because they opted out of the federal matching funds. That's what Obama has done this year after agreeing that both candidates would both be limited to that. So Bush & Kerry were operating on a level playing field. McCain & Obama are not. Doesn't matter to me which way they do it, but they should both do the SAME. Either both be limited, or both spend like drunken sailors.

USATODAY.com - Bush's campaign spending rises to a hefty $98M

"Two factors are driving the unprecedented presidential fundraising. Both Kerry and Bush have declined to accept federal matching funds for their primary campaigns, freeing them to raise and spend as much as they can. And a new campaign finance law doubled the maximum individual contribution to $2,000."

hawkshoe · 10-31-2008, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by calimari

I do not know if it was the best use of his money, as I'm not a political strategist, but since McCain is going with the "Obama is dangerous" and "Who is Obama really?" route in his speeches, it was an excellent response. It's a pity more republicans didn't watch out of just curiousity because they would have seen a truly presidential, qualified candidate speak towards the issues with not one negative word said about his opponent.

Whoever upthread said Obama's negative ads are 'everywhere" - seriously - I haven't seen one. I know he has some, but he also has ads that are not negative and speak just to the issues. All of McCains ads are negative. And all McCain can do is spread rumor, fear, and innuendo to further his campaign instead of talking about what he will do for the country.
Annie's Mom- I can't imagine anyone thinking that Obama's speaking style reminds them of Bush. Obama is one of the most eloquent speakers I've heard in years, while Bush's public speaking ability is non-existent. Obama does pause, but they strike me as thoughtful pauses. While Bush pauses to try to figure out what he's saying, IMO.

As far as campaign finance reform, that has not been a big issue to me either way. So long as the funds are raised legally, I'm pretty much fine. As far as going back on his word to McCain -- McCain said he would not run a negative campaign and that he would not bring up Obama's former pastor, and he's gone back on that & has run one of the ugliest campaigns in history. So, tit for tat I guess. These are politicians. You really can't expect them to keep thier word 100% of the time.

Well, I have to disagree here. I live in a Battleground state and we are seeing plenty of negative ads on both sides as well as positve ones on both sides.

calimari · 10-31-2008, 09:10 AM

As far as whether or not the spot was a waste of money - I think someone upthread said the only people watching it were people who were voting for it anyway, therefore it was a waste. After watching the news coverage the last few days, I have to disagree. What he's done with this spot, aside from the exposure of the 30 minute spot in itself, is he has had a full day of news coverage with all news networks discussing the spot, showing clips, talking about how well done it was, whether or not it was effective. He has essentially managed to dominate the networks for another full day, with only days left to the election. Even conservatives on the various news shows are saying what a well done piece it was. So, I think that is a secondary effect that we hadn't considered.

mommamia · 10-31-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hawkshoe

Well, I have to disagree here. I live in a Battleground state and we are seeing plenty of negative ads on both sides as well as positve ones on both sides.

99% of the ads I have seen from the one side are Obama attack ads. I too live in a battleground state.

The day after Biden said we'd see Obama be "tested" it was in a TV ad. No one ever mentioned Bush was "tested" 9 months into office. When they mudsling it negates their points IMO, not the level of maturity I'd like to see in an elected position.

daymom03 · 10-31-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by daymom03
Whose fundraising records is Obama breaking? George W Bush's. Did we hear Republicans complaining about how much money W was raising during his runs? Saying he was buying the election? Saying he shouldn't have so many TV ads, etc.? No, we didn't, so don't be complaining now. When it was the other way around, it was fine with Republicans.

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Originally Posted by aliadam

Are you saying that George W Bush spent 4 times as much on ads as Gore or Kerry? Really? I've never heard that. Can you show me where you saw that. Thanks!!

No, what I said was the fundraising records Obama broke were records set by George W Bush. And again, Republicans weren't complaining then about how unfair it was that Bush was raising so much money.

Thanks!!

Amber03 · 10-31-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimberly75

I won't be watching because I already know what he is going to say.

Blah blah blah. Blah blah yadda yadda. Yadda blah blah yadda yadda yadda.
Blah blah redistribution of wealth. Yadda yadda blah blah blah. Yadda.

pretty much LOL.

Amber03 · 10-31-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by deemom

I don't watch infomercials of any kind. I don't think it was the best use of money. I also think all the negative ads on both sides are a waste of money. Spend the money telling me how you are going to make my life better and safer instead of being negative on the other guy.

bennis_mama · 10-31-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by calimari

As far as whether or not the spot was a waste of money - I think someone upthread said the only people watching it were people who were voting for it anyway, therefore it was a waste. After watching the news coverage the last few days, I have to disagree. What he's done with this spot, aside from the exposure of the 30 minute spot in itself, is he has had a full day of news coverage with all news networks discussing the spot, showing clips, talking about how well done it was, whether or not it was effective. He has essentially managed to dominate the networks for another full day, with only days left to the election. Even conservatives on the various news shows are saying what a well done piece it was. So, I think that is a secondary effect that we hadn't considered.

Very good point! I didn't think about how much coverage he got afterwards. I wonder if it would have been more effective closer to the weekend?

lovingthem · 11-01-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Happymom

I don't really care to watch because he already has my vote, but my dh is excited to watch!

i concur. didn't have to watch because i already know what's happening lol...but i know alot of folk were glued to the TV like peanut butter and jelly.

only a few more days til the real fun begins :D

RobertPost'schild · 11-01-2008, 07:46 AM

I say bring it on

If that's what it takes, so be it! If the situation was reversed, you'd better believe Mccain would do the same.

As far as the money being spent elsewhere...I can say the exact same things with Rep's being in office these past 8 years!!!